[kdewebdev-site] Quanta Public Site Structure < final ?

Tue Mar 16 17:58:39 EST 2004

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On Tuesday 16 March 2004 5:03 pm, Bill Chmura wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 March 2004 06:22 pm, Américo C. Santos Neto wrote:
> > Hello there, everybody!
> >
> > I'm glad to hear the structure is being discussed, I can't wait to put my
> > hands on it. I think it's best to have as few links in the home page as
> >
> > possible, so here is my suggestion:
> > > Home (with short description and Quanta News)
> > > Features
> > > ...Quanta in Action
> > > ...Comparison chart
> > > Screen Shots
> > > Testimonials
> > > Get Quanta!
> > > ...Requirements
> > > ...Installing
> > > ...Donate to Quanta
> > > Support
> > >... User Support Area
> > >... Developer Support Area
> > > FAQ
> > >Contact
>
> Hey Americo (sorry about losing the accent off the e)
>
> I understand the desire to reduce the number of links on the top page, and
> it does make sense, but I would like to keep the two support areas easily
> accessable from the top page.  They don't have to be part of the main nav,
> but should be somewhere on the page (like in the top right or so)...  They
> can also be links off the support section two (as they will be referred in
> there).
>
> But its an interesting issue - the list gets confusing with them in there
> (Three support options in a row)  perhaps we can keep the two support areas
> at the top level and move the "support" entry into the Features (as great
> support would be part of the features of quanta).  It does just discuss
> what is available and how you can rely on someone helping you
>
> Be an interesting compromise as it would still reduce the menu by one...
>
> Home (with short description and Quanta News)
> Features
> ...Quanta in Action
> ...Comparison chart
> ...Support
> Screen Shots
> Testimonials
> Get Quanta!
> Requirements
> ...Installing
> ...Donate to Quanta
> User Support Area
> Developer Support Area
> FAQ
> Contact
>
> Still is at 10 for the top tier of the quanta public site, which is still a
> good amount, but probably manageable.  What do you think about that?
>
> In any case I look forward to seeing your work,
>
> Bill

I hate to go around in circles on this, especially when I'm buried with some 
things I expect will give way to having some time to deal with this soon. 
However there are a number of issues here I believe are not being addressed

1) We will be working with subdomains. This means that we have essentially a 
whole next tier of application front pages like quanta.kdewebdev.org. This is 
*not* inconsequential for several reasons.
1A) We have a standard format second "home page" menu to work on
1B) We are addressing the central domain page as if it is largely the 
quanta.kdewebdev.org page but it's not... for instance where are the other 
applications? Is this actually the quanta.kdewebdev.org page or is it really 
the kdewebdev.org page?
1C) The only way to deal with all of this with any coherent visualization is 
to complete a list of menus for kdewebdev.org and one subdomain which should 
be Quanta. Other subdomains should copy all or part of the Quanta design.
2) The things that we believe are important need to be top level which means 
that we need to revise structure to condense based on priority.
3) The second level menus as I have asked for them are still not clarified. As 
we won't likely be using Javascript on the site these have to actually be 
pages and this is why I asked for the information to be organized by single 
depth groupings. The reason is that a second level page may contain the 
information listed in headings or it may contain information central to the 
concept along with several menu items of it's own or links in the text. 

Because of all of these things I believe the problems we are having start with 
the layout not being specified in a clear enough outline. This really bugs me 
because now I guess I need to do it...

[kdewebdev.org]
Home (with short description and News)
Applications (link to page with brief descriptions, links and app menu)
...Quanta
...Kommander
...KFileReplace
...KXSL Dbg
...KImageMapEditor
...Kallery
Screen Shots (selected 2-4 images from each grouped)
Testimonials
Download Area
...Requirements
...Installing
...Donate to Quanta
User Support Area (description and menu)
...Forum
...Mailing Lists
...Hot topics
...FAQs
...Resources (downloadable enhancements)
...Contact
Help the Project
...Contribute Resources (upload files)
...Join the Developers
...Sponsoring Developers (information about how we sponsor developers)
...Become a sponsor
...Make a donation
Developer Support Area (developer.kdewebdev.org)

[quanta.kdewebdev.org]
kdewebdev.org (in some way this link needs to be there)
Home (with short description and News)
Features
...Quanta in Action
...Comparison chart
...Support
Screen Shots
Testimonials
Get Quanta!
...Requirements
...Installing
...Extras
...Donate to Quanta
User Support Area (link to main)
Help Quanta (link to main)
Developer Support Area (link to main)
FAQ (application specific - can be gathered in main by app)

This leaves 8 items on the main page and 9 (10 really) on the Quanta page. I 
almost left of the developer link on the menu as people are probably going to 
know about the developer domain and it certainly could be covered in helping 
out. I left the FAQ on the Quanta page as a concession to ease. The only 
shortcoming here is that it is two clicks from the main page to the 
application pages (unless we want to use a combo box menu) ;-) however people 
can just as easily be directed to quanta.kdewebdev.org so in reality it's not 
much of an issue.

Feel free to munch this up and toss it around. A little spirited debate never 
hurt... or we can sign off on it and get to work. ;-) What a concept.

One thing I think we will have to remember, same as the discussion of top 
level menus in Quanta... This is a complex application and the only way to 
make things work is organize the vast feature set in an intuitive way so that 
it is still highly usable. I think the same will go for the site. Usability 
is for your target audience and web developers are supposed to be slightly 
more sophisticated than aunt Betty with her first computer so the key will 
have to be good judgement and intelligent compromise between ideals and 
essentials.

Eric
>
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Américo
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Hornbaker" <chrishornbaker at earthlink.net>
> > To: <kdewebdev-site at mail.kdewebdev.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [kdewebdev-site] Quanta Public Site Structure < final ?
> >
> > > On Wednesday 03 March 2004 05:21, Bill Chmura wrote:
> > > > Okay, to keep us on track and moving in a direction...  (any
> >
> > direction)...
> >
> > > > I've rechecked through... and while we had a lot of good discussions
> > > > on this and that, not much has changed.
> > > >
> > > > So I put forth that this is a good navigation structure to start with
> >
> > for
> >
> > > > the Quanta site...  A trick I have learned in corporate life is to
> > > > ask
> >
> > if
> >
> > > > anyone objects instead of asking for approval.  Approval takes
> > > > effort...
> >
> > If
> >
> > > > no one answers it means it must be okay right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Home
> > > > Features
> > > > ...Quanta Can...  (Was its own heading before)
> > > > ...Comparison chart
> > > > Screen Shots
> > > > Quanta News  (Was Quanta in the news)
> > > > Testimonials
> > > > Get Quanta!
> > > > ...Requirements
> > > > ...Installing
> > > > ...Donate to Quanta
> > > > Support
> > > > FAQ
> > > > User Support Area
> > > > Developer Support Area  (Link to developer.kdewebdev)
> > >
> > > What's the difference between Support and User Support Area?
> > >
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