[kdewebdev-site] Proposed Quanta public site structure

Eric Laffoon sequitur at easystreet.com
Tue Mar 2 14:02:34 EST 2004


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On Tuesday 02 March 2004 1:44 pm, jacob coby wrote:
> > We put info
> > about KIO in the FAQ in the doc pages with Quanta,
> > in the help section and
> > even on the feature request page saying not to
> > request FTP features because
> > we have them. I mean can you believe that people
> > have actually written me to
> > say Quanta looks good but they can't believe we
> > don't have file upload
> > capabilities.
>
> Yeah, I can.  If you come from a Windows background,
> there is usually a tool to "publish my website" or
> "Save via FTP" or "sync my website" or something
> similar.  Most people don't read the docs since
> they're generally very sparse, poorly written, out of
> date, or a combination thereof.
>
> KDE's way of doing things isn't immediatly obvious to
> those who have never been shown that you can type in a
> url into an open/save dialog.  There is nothing in the
> KDE docs about it, and there is nothing easily found
> for google about it.  KDE might have it as one of
> those "Did you know?.." dialogs that nobody reads.
>
> I came from a Windows background, and was really
> dissappointed when I couldn't figure out how to save a
> file over FTP.  I tried creating a shortcut to the ftp
> site on my desktop, and saving to that.  I tried
> creating a FTP project.  I grepped the Quanta source,
> and saw something about a FTP dialog that I could
> never find.  Nothing worked.
>
> It wasn't until a few months ago when I decided to
> give linux a go again that I saw the blurb on the
> feature request page about just typing in "ftp://"
> into the open dialog.  *d'oh*

Then it worked. the problem with KDE is that it makes too much sense in a 
world that doesn't. If you should treat people the same why shoudl you treat 
files differently.

Ultimately I've come to the conclusion that the only way to get this point 
across to the masses (a file is a file and a protocol is a protocal and we 
handle what you need transparently with kio) is to incorporate a means of 
selecting the kio in the file dialog. I've been in discussions with several 
KDE developers over this and hope to get this to the kde-core-developers list 
as soon as I get a few things done and have time to join.

One of the saddest things is when someone is upset over the fallibility of 
human nature working against them instead of recognizing how they could 
refocus and use human nature in their favor.

As Myomoto Musashi said, once a man knows the way of wisdom he can do all 
things. Of course he discovered this wisdom bashing people over the head in 
duels in Feudal Japan. ;-)

Eric
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